Anyone remember young Guan the 14 year old at Augusta he was so small he could only drive it 250 but did alright. Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. Acting upon real data, not opinion, takes a giant step in that direction. I must say to the trap draw crowd, Justin Thomas isn't hitting trap draws while winning tournaments on the PGA Tour. He doesn't have the luxury of That tells How to gain more distance without swinging faster? I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. I then picked up the lob wedge, historically as a two wedge player I need high versatility with this club as it is 6 degrees more lofted than my 52. Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. I went into a facility with Trackman launch monitors and have attached Once AMA understands the likely outcomes for various shots, then he can most effectively implement course strategy for the benefit of improving his golf performance. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364416375' post='6708959'] They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. For example for a 170 yard shot into the green a quick glance at his iron yardages shows he could decide to play either a three-quarter 8-iron or try to hit a 9-iron as far as he can his max distance for that club. Dustin Johnson can hit a putter 400 yards That means the distance from the center of the green tothe edge averages just under 44 feet. How can that be true. The goals of the Justin Thomas Foundation reflect the altruistic aspirations of the Thomas family. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Launch Angle - 11*[/background][/size][/color] I don't play professional golf. Club Head Speed 119.55 ;9#I 'S2G4Mi]JE As golf instruction and coaching continue to move more towards verifiable data (what the instructor/coach knows) and further away from guess and check (what the instructor/coach thinks), we expect to see more improvement in the golf community. How Far Should You Hit a Driver? What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho M2, maybe 915 FD 913 HD 712u 3 714 AP2 4-p SM5 53, 59 Circa62 knock it close Advanced Members 6.2k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted The above statements were [i]only[/i] about length. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Yet I hit my driver 230 yards to what they say is average, 214. also his AoD on the stinger. Very interesting but sort of depressing article. Srixon WG-706 56 w/ Nippon Modus Prototype C10 S That's what I think. This philosophy has been a revelation to me. TI Taylormade SIM Ti (15.4) Tensei CK Pro Blue 80X Going the Distance? [/quote] Consistency is Key, Are Driving Range Distances Accurate? If you are a right handed player the slice and above numbers could be due to a heel strike. WebCongratulations to Justin Thomas ! [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364416031' post='6708919'] Its a whole different story. Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. [quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1364403013' post='6707345'] Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. I have completely lost my iron swing due to injury and need a swing coach as well as does your program cover this as well? And it just isnt true.well at least not on average. [/quote] I don't measure my driver distance. This is something Butch Harmon has been trying to get Danielle Kang to do for a few years because it simplifies the shot and you can go at the flag more. It is all about the short game Distance to Apex 195.9 I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide, What Wedges Do the Pros Use? [/quote] We've enjoyed playing this great game with friends, family and competitors from all over the world for many years. I already use the SM8s and having seen the drop off in spin and different performance of my swing (I am less steep at impact these days) I will be changing wedges. The average green size at Torrey Pines South is 6,000 square feet. In my opinion if your long game level is around hcap 0 you should score 76-80 . Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Lol, so true.. Mizumo T22 Blue 54 58 S400 TI Our TrackMan Combine database would contain the answer to those questions, but it would require significant work to pull that information out. Heat treatment This treatment is now applied to the impact areas of the face to increase durability. It's the short game. It's not the length that makes a pro. [/quote] How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? As such, this article will focus on the performance of the average male amateur (AMA). People that dwell on the fact that other people like to know their distances are funny. Mack Made Custom Blade. I seem to have the same speed as pro women and they are playing the same distances that I am but scoring way way lower with a game built from precision over speed. It's good for some laughs. It's the short game. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. Shafts: Nippon N.S. Artisan MT Grind (58) DG S400 T 'enG~q/Om\#Q`{ HLRpC45`|NiG*"2agUTeu9d10S8xl?O`,`~ja~=j'(d~e?7UN+&iHPI=8NQQ={"K9R1d"3j$NJd[?@fUM)IxJ)Sn-bcVk7*"d9;&!0tB%=7$W&q&:L^q1|T]6k)SF But you also have to add in the slight mishits, the rainy days, and the balls that land in the rough. Dont think they ever release that stuff. [/quote] I've always gone with clubs based off of feel and ball flight, not what the numbers say. IF a smaller easier course with less hazards I will play from blue but I am having a ton of fun and scoring between 90 and 97 consistently every time with an average drive of around 220 yards. 2 vs 3 vs 4 Hybrid Distances, How Far Should I Hit My Irons? A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Taylormade Spider X Chalk SS. Thanks. On top of that it drew me feeling like unless I can hit it 250 every time and at least shoot in the low 90s from the Blue I might as well just give golf up. Or when hazards are present, it may be even wiser to aim for the opposite edge of the green. Justin Thomas is one of the most exciting and popular golfers on the PGA TOUR. The strategy implemented to create 10 additional yards of carry could be from lack of knowledge regarding how far each club goes. On the longest drive, the projected distance(without the slice) was 332 yards. Justins family and friends also know him as a kindhearted young man who goes out of his way to give back. Including a personal best one under 35 for nine. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. I ultimately decided on the Tour AD DI 6X as a better choice. FULL GUIDE By Age, Handicap etc. Dont be that person, as how your club interacts with the turf is more vital in wedges than with any other club. These 23 heads are available in three finishes: Jet Black, Tour Chrome and Brushed Steel. (Unimpededof course, because we always were able to play during the week). Your previous content has been restored. At the Sony Open, Thomas became the youngest player to shoot 59 on the PGA TOUR and broke the TOURs 72-hole scoring record by a stroke. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. Top 100 Player Analysis. [/quote] It has to do with my ability. Clear editor. This is really intersting reading and I could not agree more with the finding your distance principal. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Titleist 913D3 9.5* Diamana D+ 72s You dont need to be depressed your swing speed is high enough to play very good golf. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. My average driver distance over 2 full rounds it 223 yards and that includes the one or two bad shots off the box that only goes 100 plus yards just above the red Ts . Trackman golf terms: What Trackman results mean Club head speed: Club head speed is the speed that the club head is traveling at when it makes impact with the ball. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. However don't be overwhelmed, the good news is that there is only one set up choice in the PW, two in the GW and multiple in SW and LW due to the wider range of shorter shots you play with these clubs. Especially when they was no other golfers in sight. This gap is the highest one Titleist advise in custom fitting, they like to see only 4 degrees between clubs which unfortunately means you are buying 3 wedges and paying an additional 169. Web27K views, 94 likes, 1 loves, 33 comments, 13 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from TrackMan: Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. Not at all. [/quote] Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. I genuinely believe Vokeys make me a better bunker player, the SM8s changed my bunker game and these are just as good. I appreciate your thoughts, great article. Tee and Approach Shots! It's good for some laughs. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Master the Swing Plane and Handle Path for Increased Distance and Accuracy! You can post now and register later. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. That smash factor surprises me a bit. I think this is very interesting but misleading. pleased to hear you are enjoying it now though. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Well I certainly feel hood about how I played when i did. The consistency of impact through the sand was staggering, I seemed to take the exact same amount of sand and impact location every time. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. If length was a determing factor for professional status then we'd have the Wedge players tour and not the Long Drivers tour. Granted, their handicaps are high, but it gives a lot of support to what Mr. Pelz has been telling us all these years. Especially the average driving distance data. [/quote] I don't measure my driver distance. When you account for factors such as wind, elevation, ground conditions and also the context in which the shot is being played Koepka, like all the pros, has a number of options for each iron shot which makes the question of how far he hits each iron a bit more complex than at first you may think. That's what I think. For example while one pros gap wedge may be 50 another may choose 53 or even 54 for that same gap wedge club and with such a difference in lofts it becomes very difficult to compare with any meaning how far the pros hit the same-named wedge. Lets go one step further and use the TrackMan Combine data to see what kind of proximity to hole the AMA will be able to achieve at the various approach distances. Top 50 Pros Analysis. GHIN reported the average male handicap at 15.3 in 2003 and 14.3 in 2012. I know what you are thinking, there is a lot that goes into making a wedge. Obviously not. [/quote] My full swing with a driver was anout ewual to an average guys 9 iron turn. [/quote] Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. Because of the trends and correlations found in the TrackMan Combine data, it is possible to calculate the proximity to hole for nearly any handicap or approach distance with high confidence. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. [/color] You're delusional if you think any amateur on WRX that claims to have similar numbers to the longer pros thinks they are also as good as a tour pro. ?, G#"% y\$)3(Q|1$xNyt7"g \)hEhH-hFtL+x I cant say I noticed the lower ball flight but this is something that Titleist have worked on gradually for the last few generations. Your email address will not be published. That is why you will find some pros wedges measured up to 0.5 or even 0.25 when listed and it is also likely that some of the actual strengths of the wedge lofts they use may in reality be stronger (i.e. Im a 9 handicap wanting to get into the low single digits. The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. Hang Time 5.8 My average club separation is about 15 yards. Sorry for the ramble. F rom the comfort of your sofa or if youre lucky, alongside the ropes each major championship gives you a chance to see the biggest hitters in the world unsheathe their drivers and swing away. My longest drive was 270. I visited Hillside GC practice ground to have a full custom fitting session with the new SM9s. Knowing tee shot distances and iron distances helps with that. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. I spent a year playing by myself getting lessons finding a swing and just focused on having fun. Shafts: Project X 125 6.5 (46), Project X 120 6.0 (52-60), Putter: Scotty Cameron 009 I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. For those of you interested in how these averages compare to individual pros we have listed in the table below the average stock carry yardages for a selection of the top pros when it comes to how far they hit their driver. Hamish777, March 26, 2013 in WRX Club Techs. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Justin Thomas and Excel Sports Management are not responsible for lost, stolen or damaged items. [/color] |K_ %E_{/{5* Bx2 @ xM6#N 3-irons average 217 yds, 4-irons 208 yds, 5-irons 199 yds, 6-irons 188 yds, 7-irons 177 yds, 8-irons 164 yds and 9-irons 153 yds. I am disabled now and dont play at all but i had a spinal fusion and two rods put in my back when i was a teenager. Smash Factor 1.475 Is it around 25-35% less then the AMA group? Have a look at his driver and 6 iron swing, incl. Add That Little Extra Limited also participates in other affiliate programs with FlexOffers, CJ, Svorn and other sites and is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies (again at no cost to you). Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X, 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. Scotty Cameron SS Newport Beach w/ UST Frequency Filter and Rosemark Thorn 1.52 grip. When looking at how the AMA performs, lets start with the drive. I know his swing speed with driver is up around 120mph but thats all they seem to show on tv. It takes a detailed plan and it takes time, and this is why I think the improvement of AMAs isnt as impressive as it could be. Tiger hits his 3-iron a carry distance of 240 yards on average while his 4-iron goes 225 yards and 5-iron 210 yards. Justin is committed to showing benevolence and grace to children in need, with the goal of bolstering their confidence, strengthening their determination, and allowing them great possibilities. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. Do All Golf Balls Go the Same Distance? Course length, driver optimization, and course strategy are three key components to improving the performance of the AMA. Does that make sense? Playing golf as early as two-years-old, Justin learned all aspects of the game. I think those numbers are a little high. Hitting long irons or hybrids into all of the par 4s does not set the AMA up for an enjoyable day on the golf course. Why gather data from an elite course where people line up to play when that is far from representative of what most people are doing? I know a 47 year old who played d1 golf hits nothing but trap draws hits 8 irons 190. Distance is only a big deal to those who don't have it In 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. Its unrealistic for most amateurs to break 100 on courses that share the aforementioned conditions, which is what a lot of the courses of today present. Pro Modus 3 Tour 105 S, Wedges: Callaway Jaws (54-10S, 58-10S), Titleist Vokey Design SM6 (62-08M) How to Hit Massive Drives! Spin Rate is on the high side, which also could indicate an off-center strike, and probably a negative attack angle both will shorten your distance. Ive hit greens from 210 out with a 20 degree hybrid. My teachers are always trying to get me to change my swing to generate club head speed, but this consistently leaves me frustrated and physically sore. That's what I think. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. Another added complication when it comes to comparing the distances that the pros hit their wedges is the differing lofts each of them often carries for seemingly the same club. Shaft:Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4-5), TaylorMade P7MC (6-PW) The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. The flight is reduced and the spin still remains. And that was 12 years ago. How Far Does a 3 Wood vs 5 Wood Go? Once you except your limitations, you can get out and enjoy the game we LOVE instead of loathing it. He is traditional in what he wants the wedge to look like. However the pros have what is called a stock yardage for their irons, which equates essentially to the average distance they will hit a full shot with each iron swinging normally. That's what I think. The best distance comparison we have for those clubs is therefore the carry distance. With the AMA averaging 30 yards less than his potential, there is a lot of room for improvement. Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018. Looking at how far pros hit their irons is a much easier task these days due to all the tracking technology that exists however it still does not make it an exact science. Or should i take control on the distance i have? Hang Time 5.8 Graeme started playing golf when he was only 4 years old and has loved the game ever since. Very unfortunately most of us are too busy with other things we need to do. BALL; Chrome Soft X. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] I'll pass. TaylorMade Stealth+ 8 w/ PX Handcrafted Prototype EvenFlow Black 65 6.5, TaylorMade SIM ROCKET 14.5 w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 18 Tour Issue w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 3-19 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 4-22 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, Srixon ZX7 6-AW w/ Nippon Modus Tour125 Stiff I would have guessed #1 because of the "low spin" mantra, even though the launch is a touch low. Top 50 Player Guide. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph. But mostly, when playing for the money, they dont. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Dont think they ever release that stuff. Can i play a pro v1, or a harder ball I wont more distance KIND regards Rene Claeys Ren. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. WebBut he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] 712u 3 Learn to play your game, but keep pushing yourself where sensible and on the range, and youll enjoy your round more and start playing much more consistent golf. My problem is the amount of power i have and need to work on half wings. A good drive might only yield 250 and that isnt exciting. The SMs have been nurtured and feel just beautiful at impact, the GW is super consistent with full shots and the chip and run. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). I bet your average golfer on your average course doesnt hit more than 160-175. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] Smash Factor 1.475 me too! http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php, Short hitter compared to the average WRXer. The 58 is versatile in shot options and with the change of grind from D to M I had an increase in performance. Many golfers save some money and buy the SM8s and others will upgrade from SM7s to SM9s. Driver 6 Iron Brooks Koepka Related Posts Erik Van Rooyen Driver Numbers Sei Young Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. Cobra Aerospeed 3W Kai'Li White The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. Ping Glide 2.0 (54) DG S400 TI Made more swing improvement of late and starting to control my driver more. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. The driver is almost always the most talked about golf club in everyone's bag. Ever found a yardage you like? [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster.
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